anthony chubb

Doris stokes <nee sutton>the medium was a driver in the the war and drove guy gibson about
then later when she lived in country was a childrens nurse and looked after richard todds children !!!!!!!!!

anton

Russ

Spooky !!, I love things like that, thanks Anthony

Freddy

http://www.dambusters.org.uk/gibson.htm

60 years ago on the 19th September.

[ 20. September 2004, 16:14: Message edited by: Freddy ]

"What I owe you Colonel Lawrence, is beyond evaluation."

deckard

Whether Black, White, Polish or anything in between, those people back then were absolute heroes and I think it's a shame that perhaps near-sighted words like "repugnant" and maybe paranoid accusations of "racism" bandied around by a certain member should detract from the deep humilty in which we should remember the events of 60 years ago......lest we forget.....

"and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock"

Jim

RIGHT ON DECKS..... thumbs_u

Good morning boys.

Gibbie

Here, here - Decks!

Great history piece on Guy Gibson, Freddy!
RIP!

Gibbie

JamesM

Is the dialogue intact in the Warner Home Video DVD? Anchor Bay plan to release a boxset of at least 5 British classic war films, 4 of which shall be Ealing films, the 5th being The Dam Busters. I shall write and let them know our thoughts on the subject, to keep the word in.

Russ

Just to clarify , you know very well that none of my comments were aimed at the people you suggested, and if you knew my background you would immediately realise that could never be the case.

It was merely aimed at puerile minds who glory in using words which are now in today's society classed as repugnant and racist.
The way you use them is as of a child discovering their first "swear" word, repugnant, racist and pathetic.......

deckard

Also,just to clarify my post..there was never any "suggestion" that comments were aimed at the people of those days, the suggestion was that it was aimed at members..."if members could refrain from airing their repugnant, racist views"...so to use your ideology, if you knew our backgrounds you would also immediately realise.....
Pathetic? some might say, racist? never.And that as far as I am concerned is the end of the matter, I would much rather concentrate on the wonderful knowledge and film conversation on this forum. :)

"and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock"

Russ

Absolutely Decks ... I totally agree and I am grateful for your comments, thank you ........

As one who has spent all day in Rochdale trying to raise any sort of feeling and enthusiasm for tonight's documentary and film we have a lot of work ahead...

Take Care

Russ

chriskathome

These men had guts that I personally couldn't contemplate. My grandads brother was Spam Spafford the bomb aimer in Gibsons plane and if anyone tries to tell me it was fruitless I'll be more than happy to put them right.

Chris K

42ndStreetFreak

It's all according wht you call fruitless.

It did cause great damage, but for only a very brief period and soon production was up to pre-rais levels.

it also killed and destroyed the homes over many, many civilians.

BUT, it did boost moral to a very big degree, and that can be very important.
But also pretty invisible.

DIRECT harm to the german's caused was indeed pretty limited and open to debate if it was worth the cost in airman and civilian life.

That is not to say the airman were astonishingly brave and skilled.

Hackett

It's only fruitless in hind-sight. If you asked any English civilian in Coventry, Liverpool or the Eastend of London about dead German civilians they would have cheered. As for it's worth?, wright thing at the best time. Absolutely no doubt for me.

deckard

Too right Hackett! Ah, retrospect... if all decisions in this world could be made with the knowledge of hindsight, jeez! Anyone basically makes decisions as to what they think is right at the time and this mission was imho the absolute correct thing to do - those aircrew were the at the heroic forefront of that decision and do you think they would have changed their minds with hindsight? I think not.Regards, Decks.

"and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock"

circle kay

Hi new to the site, one of the best Brit war films without a doubt. IMO The Cruel Sea is the best about the RN, The Way Ahead about the Army and The Dambusters about the RAF (Appointment in London a good runner up often overlooked). Re the 'PC' edits the offending word is still sent back in Morse from G George even in the most cut up ITV showings! As for the special effects, the model work looks a bit dated now but the film clips of the test drops of the bomb in the film are real records of the tests. They look very scratchy because they were censored to hide the details of the bomb. The 'Upkeep' and 'Highball' mines were still classified until the late 60s! Looking forward to chatting about lots of Brit films CK