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Old 10-06-2008, 10:51 AM
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Powell was an Englishman with a world view, quite rare at the time. And when he was combined with Pressburger, an outsider looking in, it's no wonder that they came up with some films that had a view that was totally different to what everyone else was doing.

Jeez. Not "no wonder" I believe. It really is a wonder, a unique and unlikely partnership that will never be re-created. Billy Wilder and Charles Brackett came close in their acerbic Hollywood hits, but Powell and Pressburger were unexpected and perfect partners in films from grim reality to poetic fantasy.

As Butch Cassidy said of his relentless pursuers: "Who are these guys?"

Yeah. Who were these guys, Mickey Powell and Emeric Pressburger? I dunno, but together they gave us 14 years of fascinating, never-the-same movies.

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May 2007 on Prince Edward Island (4000 miles from our Vancouver home), our own black Bo ran on the empty beach near Skinner's Pond:

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This isn't a dog forum (though Powell got his beloved spaniels in several films) so I will leave with just one more pic; our black dogs on red PEI rocks - a scene that Jack Cardiff would have made memorable:

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Powell was an Englishman with a world view, quite rare at the time. And when he was combined with Pressburger, an outsider looking in, it's no wonder that they came up with some films that had a view that was totally different to what everyone else was doing.

Jeez. Not "no wonder" I believe. It really is a wonder, a unique and unlikely partnership that will never be re-created. Billy Wilder and Charles Brackett came close in their acerbic Hollywood hits, but Powell and Pressburger were unexpected and perfect partners in films from grim reality to poetic fantasy.

As Butch Cassidy said of his relentless pursuers: "Who are these guys?"

Yeah. Who were these guys, Mickey Powell and Emeric Pressburger? I dunno, but together they gave us 14 years of fascinating, never-the-same movies.
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It's no wonder that they were different to the films everybody else was making. The wonder is that they fitted together so well and that the total was so much more than the sum of the parts.

The range of genres is another astounding thing about their work. That their films are all so different from each other as well as from what was considered normal at the time.

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May 2007 on Prince Edward Island (4000 miles from our Vancouver home), our own black Bo ran on the empty beach near Skinner's Pond:
Well it's sort of related. The attack on the Nazi submarine in 49th Parallel (aka The Invaders) was filmed near Corner Brook, Newfoundland - which is just across the water from PEI. Only a few hundred miles away, that's not much by Canadian distances

And they did the Philip Armstrong Scott (Leslie Howard) segment on Lake O'Hara in BC. Although Leslie Howard never actually went there, it's a double in the long shot of him in the canoe on the lake.

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May 2007 on Prince Edward Island (4000 miles from our Vancouver home), our own black Bo ran on the empty beach near Skinner's Pond:
Which is also where they filmed the Anne Of Green Gables series with Megan Fellowes and the late Colleen Dewhurst. If anyone has children this is a great family film to enjoy. In fact, it's enjoyable at any age.

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Remember that they wanted to make AMOLAD in 1945. But the story required that they have Technicolor and all the Technicolor cameras in the world (there weren't many of them) were in use making training films for US servicemen. And there wasn't much Technicolor film stock in the country either.

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I don't think there was a Technicolor camera stock - the cameras just used three ordinary monochrome negatives receiving colour-filtered light with the dye transfer processes happening later in the chain - mind you I could be wrong and will happily stand corrected if so.

Ah Shere - a lovely village that I visited numerous times before hearing of the AMOLAD connection.

I've always thought the naked boy was an entirely innocent atmospheric invention that has been distorted by some in our paedophile-obsessed age.

Funny thing - when I first saw this film many years ago I thought my enthusiasm for it was unique. The innocence of youth.....

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I don't think there was a Technicolor camera stock - the cameras just used three ordinary monochrome negatives receiving colour-filtered light with the dye transfer processes happening later in the chain - mind you I could be wrong and will happily stand corrected if so.

Ah Shere - a lovely village that I visited numerous times before hearing of the AMOLAD connection.

I've always thought the naked boy was an entirely innocent atmospheric invention that has been distorted by some in our paedophile-obsessed age.

Funny thing - when I first saw this film many years ago I thought my enthusiasm for it was unique. The innocence of youth.....
It's still quite rare for people to think that there's any sexual meaning to the naked goat-herd. I read a lot that people have written about this film, and it's hardly ever mentioned. When it is, it's more a puzzlement at it being there than anyone thinking there's anything wrong with it.

I think that all colour film stock was in short supply. But the bigger problem was in getting a Technicolor camera

It's a shame that this film is still quite difficult for many people to see. But we do keep hearing about a planned region 1 DVD

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" It's a shame that this film is still quite difficult for many people to see. But we do keep hearing about a planned region 1 DVD "

Take heart, North Americans. We can hope that Criterion will follow their recent 49TH PARALLEL and new THIEF OF BAGHDAD with AMOLAD. Criterion has released much of the PnP catalogue with excellent DVDs.

In the meantime, the inexpensive Carlton AMOLAD is just fine for those of us with region-free players.
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" It's a shame that this film is still quite difficult for many people to see. But we do keep hearing about a planned region 1 DVD "

Take heart, North Americans. We can hope that Criterion will follow their recent 49TH PARALLEL and new THIEF OF BAGHDAD with AMOLAD. Criterion has released much of the PnP catalogue with excellent DVDs.

In the meantime, the inexpensive Carlton AMOLAD is just fine for those of us with region-free players.
Criterion don't have the rights to it, they can't make a DVD.

Columbia Tristar have the rights to it and announced that they were going to release a Region 1 DVD of it in April 2003. We're still waiting.

Thelma Schoonmaker has said it is still definitely planned, but is waiting for Scorsese to do the commentary. No hint of a release date as yet.

BTW Criterion's next release of a P&P film will be The Small Back Room

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Thelma Schoonmaker has said it is still definitely planned, but is waiting for Scorsese to do the commentary. No hint of a release date as yet.

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So were waiting on the little fella huh?

I'm wondering if the restoration is actually gong to be a proper one unlike the Criterion 'Thief of Baghdad' recently released DVD which looked nearly the same as the MGM one. In fact I think the earlier MGM DVD looked a bit more lurid which I associate with how Technicolor should look .

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I'm wondering if the restoration is actually gong to be a proper one unlike the Criterion 'Thief of Baghdad' recently released DVD which looked nearly the same as the MGM one. In fact I think the earlier MGM DVD looked a bit more lurid which I associate with how Technicolor should look .

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The Criterion DVD of The Thief of Bagdad was from a new print created just for Criterion. But the MGM one was from a new print created just for MGM so there's not a lot of difference between them. Maybe slight differences in how they were printed and digitised.

With many of the old Powell & Pressburger films they've now got fully restored negatives so can strike off a new print whenever anyone wants one. It being a new print is nice, but it's not all that special. Not like a full restoration creating a new negative (or interneg)

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That is one of the most profoundly and deeply insulting examples of anti-Americanism I have ever heard - and you intended it that way. You are no fool. But you see: neither am I.

It is also, by the way, just about the most ignoble and ungentlemanly thing it is possible to say in the circumstances, so you might want to take a look at yourself.

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Oh bugger. Trust me to take a few days off at just the wrong time.......

I was imagining that the young British soldiers who ignored Blimp's preposterous rules were exemplars of a new culture that rejected the buffoonery of fighting wars as a gentleman's game. If I was trying to imply anything it was that they looked to an imagined American way of individual initiatives seeking as quick a resolution as possible, as the proper way of doing things, rather than doddering old colonels blustering over the Port and telling their boys to wait for the whistle.

Given the real-time environment the film was being made in, I would see that as a logical idea. Who else could we look to for our example? The Nazis? We could not do it their way, could we.

Steve Crook may well be right that Britain merely needed to make its own internalised changes, without reference to any other nation or Army Culture and that The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp , unlike A Matter of Life and Death, has nothing to do with America or Americans at all.

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Oh bugger. Trust me to take a few days off at just the wrong time.......

I was imagining that the young British soldiers who ignored Blimp's preposterous rules were exemplars of a new culture that rejected the buffoonery of fighting wars as a gentleman's game. If I was trying to imply anything it was that they looked to an imagined American way of individual initiatives seeking as quick a resolution as possible, as the proper way of doing things, rather than doddering old colonels blustering over the Port and telling their boys to wait for the whistle.

Given the real-time environment the film was being made in, I would see that as a logical idea. Who else could we look to for our example? The Nazis? We could not do it their way, could we.

Steve Crook may well be right that Britain merely needed to make its own internalised changes, without reference to any other nation or Army Culture and that The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp , unlike A Matter of Life and Death, has nothing to do with America or Americans at all.

Don't let a fool like me make you leave the room.

Thanks for responding. I think I have a better understanding of what happened.

I would agree that we - Americans - would emphasize an individualistic, pragmatic and efficient approach. But the soldiers at the beginning of Blimp were cowardly cheats who humiliated and mocked an elderly man who they should have respected.

I know all too well how many times we have not behaved according to principle and I am ashamed of it. But certainly at that time, allegiance to principle and a moral code were a part of the pragmatism followed by the majority of Americans serving during WWII, just as it was for the Brits.

I would disagree that Blimp was preposterous. He may have been a foolish old man in some ways, but his principles and code of conduct were not. I admire them and try to live by them.

I am glad there is peace between us.

And you are not a fool. If you were, I would not have paid any attention to what you said.
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The expression often used to describe American servicemen at the time was "Overpaid, over-sexed and over here". This was prevalent from about the time they started arriving in large numbers for the build up to D-Day in about 1944.

Remember that by that time the British people had been at war for 5 years. Their homes had been bombed killing many of their friends and relations, they were on a strict food ration and hadn't had many luxury good for years. Most of their young men, their sons, brothers and fathers had been abroad fighting, getting captured, wounded or killed, in North Africa and the Far East or they had been on convoy duty bringing in the few supplies that did make it here.

Then the Americans turn up. They are better paid and better dressed than British servicemen. They have access to all sorts of luxuries that haven't been seen for years like chocolate, nylons and even simple things like chewing gum and fruit. They turn up at local dances and bring their new music with them, jazz, big band music, and the new dances that go with them. Of course they are going to appear glamorous to the young ladies and the British people, in uniform or not, aren't going to get a look in. It's no wonder that there was a lot of ill-feeling.

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Ill-feeling towards them for coming when they did and ill-feeling for them for not coming sooner.

The build-up to D-Day was in 1944. US troops left stateside for Europe and Asia before the end of 1941.

And in addition to the new uniforms and the jazz and the dances and the glamor and the cash, there is also the fact that tens of thousands of those men - and women - didn't come home, and are buried in graves thousands of miles away from the US, often alongside English and Scots and Welsh and Canadians. Or they came home broken in body or mind.

It seems to me that ill-feeling could not have been the only response on the part of the people of Britain. My experience of them is that they are far more generous than that.

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