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Old 21-04-2006, 09:07 AM
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DB7 said this "Its story of a London gangster going home to Newcastle to avenge his murdered brother ".

I have to take a alternative view of this film, which I feel has been misinterpreted by many people.

This is not a revenge film, it is a film about a persons violent endeavours to protect his family name and in doing so head off any people who might think that Jack Carter is for the taking.

First of all Carter really has no love for his brother. He had a affair with his brothers wife and as said in the film, Carter's brother did not even know if the child was his own.
Jack Carter is cold, make no mistake about that the killing of his brother is only a danger to himself, if he is not seen to do anything about this attack on his family, he surely will be next in line.
Secondly when he watches the pornographic film in the apartment, he was quiet happy to watch this movie with a school girl or women dressed up as school girl, until the identity of the girl has become apparent to himself.
It has become clear to me only after many viewings that I have become very cynical about this movie and can see no good in what Jack Carter is trying to do.
If this was purely a moral revenge story based on a man going after the killer of this brother, then I might of had some sympathy for this gangster.
There is one scene where he pushes Cliff Brumby off the multi story only to land on a car, which looks to be carrying a family, a small girl is seen to be carried out from the rear of the wreckage but the front part of the car is crushed and whoever was in the front of car is now dead.
Innocents killed in Carter's frenzied attack on the area of Newcastle.
Because, that is how I feel about this movie,Carter is a man who is determined to become powerful within the british mafia style movement and anyone who messes with his name,will come under his hammer.
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interesting view, got me thinking.
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Incredible amount of work and research has been put into this site, it's brilliant, one of the best "then and now" sites I have seen! well done Michael Brady
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I always thought Carter is set up right from the start, I mean they are on to him straight away, in the opening credits with Carter travelling in the train up North sitting opposite him on the train is the sniper hit man who kills him at the end. Blink and you will miss him, its definitely him though! Intriguing.
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Hi,
DB7 said this "Its story of a London gangster going home to Newcastle to avenge his murdered brother ".

I have to take a alternative view of this film, which I feel has been misinterpreted by many people.

This is not a revenge film, it is a film about a persons violent endeavours to protect his family name and in doing so head off any people who might think that Jack Carter is for the taking.

First of all Carter really has no love for his brother. He had a affair with his brothers wife and as said in the film, Carter's brother did not even know if the child was his own.
Jack Carter is cold, make no mistake about that the killing of his brother is only a danger to himself, if he is not seen to do anything about this attack on his family, he surely will be next in line.
Secondly when he watches the pornographic film in the apartment, he was quiet happy to watch this movie with a school girl or women dressed up as school girl, until the identity of the girl has become apparent to himself.
It has become clear to me only after many viewings that I have become very cynical about this movie and can see no good in what Jack Carter is trying to do.
If this was purely a moral revenge story based on a man going after the killer of this brother, then I might of had some sympathy for this gangster.
There is one scene where he pushes Cliff Brumby off the multi story only to land on a car, which looks to be carrying a family, a small girl is seen to be carried out from the rear of the wreckage but the front part of the car is crushed and whoever was in the front of car is now dead.
Innocents killed in Carter's frenzied attack on the area of Newcastle.
Because, that is how I feel about this movie,Carter is a man who is determined to become powerful within the british mafia style movement and anyone who messes with his name,will come under his hammer.
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Your reading of the film isn't necessarily out of line with the statement that Carter is out for revenge. That there is an element of revenge in what he does, is not to say he is a nice or moral man. Quite the reverse.

What exactly is a "moral revenge story"? What is moral about revenge? It is certainly not viewed as moral from a "Christian" point of view - or a legal one either. It is law of the jungle - and Carter is a big beast!

He is a vicious amoral thug. But you don't mess with him and his - there's an element of respect involved, as you suggest. By revenging his brother - he makes himself more unassailable. I don't think Jack would understand the distinction.

He does seem genuinely shaken seeing his niece (daughter? Possibly.) in the porn film - he appears to cry! So there is something human there - it would be strange if there wasn't. Of course he doesn't give a tinkers about anybody else's niece or daughter.

Jack isn't a psychopath - he's a hardened criminal who will kill if he has to and doesn't care about the consequences to innocent people. He is the British equivilant of Richard Stark's Parker.

The villians in Get Carter are just as bad. They all deserve locking up or topping.

It's the little people yopu sympathise with, I think. Alun Armstrong's horribly used little guy; Britt's trapped moll; the sexually frustrated landlady.

Following Jack is a wonderful ride through a vividly painted time and place. But Carter himself is the ultimate anti-hero. Apart from his cool - there are no redeeming features.

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I would hesitate to call it "great" but "Brutalism" was the term applied to a particular strand of the Modernist architectural movement during the 1960s and 1970s, and was associated with certain followers of Swiss architect, Le Corbusier.

Think of things like the South Bank complex in London (or much of Birmingham, especially the old Bull Ring, as you're in the West Midlands). It was used a lot for public buildings and high rise housing and involves a lot of concrete.

Also sometimes known as "Third Reich chic" because of the echoes to Albert Speer's work.

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It's been suggested that Get Carter is the best British gangster film ever made, it certainly seems to have loyal following but does that make it the best? I think devotees of the Long Good Friday might disagree!
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It's been suggested that Get Carter is the best British gangster film ever made, it certainly seems to have loyal following but does that make it the best? I think devotees of the Long Good Friday might disagree!
Who cares?! They are both great films. Terrific double bill!

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I think devotees of the Long Good Friday might disagree!
I love The Long Good Friday and Get Carter too so personally can not seperate them really as both films are just superb in every way.

There's a lot of dignity in that, isn't there? Going out like a raspberry ripple.
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i love this film.some of the scenes were actually filmed in nmy town of Hebburn,tyne & wear,any more get carter fans
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YES! Favourite scene? High Level Bridge with that poor Mk2 Jag!
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Hi,
DB7 said this "Its story of a London gangster going home to Newcastle to avenge his murdered brother ".

I have to take a alternative view of this film, which I feel has been misinterpreted by many people.

This is not a revenge film, it is a film about a persons violent endeavours to protect his family name and in doing so head off any people who might think that Jack Carter is for the taking.

First of all Carter really has no love for his brother. He had a affair with his brothers wife and as said in the film, Carter's brother did not even know if the child was his own.
Jack Carter is cold, make no mistake about that the killing of his brother is only a danger to himself, if he is not seen to do anything about this attack on his family, he surely will be next in line.
Secondly when he watches the pornographic film in the apartment, he was quiet happy to watch this movie with a school girl or women dressed up as school girl, until the identity of the girl has become apparent to himself.
It has become clear to me only after many viewings that I have become very cynical about this movie and can see no good in what Jack Carter is trying to do.
If this was purely a moral revenge story based on a man going after the killer of this brother, then I might of had some sympathy for this gangster.
There is one scene where he pushes Cliff Brumby off the multi story only to land on a car, which looks to be carrying a family, a small girl is seen to be carried out from the rear of the wreckage but the front part of the car is crushed and whoever was in the front of car is now dead.
Innocents killed in Carter's frenzied attack on the area of Newcastle.
Because, that is how I feel about this movie,Carter is a man who is determined to become powerful within the british mafia style movement and anyone who messes with his name,will come under his hammer.
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Hmmm. I disagree that Carter has no love for his brother. There's the scene where he goes to see the body the night before the funeral and holds his dead brother's hand...Or when he gives Doreen the money and offers psuedo fatherly advice about boys....Or the anguished fury in his voice when he says, "I'm the villain in the family!" (the implication being his brother was a good guy who didn't deserve what happened to him)....And of course there's the great scene when he sees Doreen in the porno, figures out what must have happened, and cries.

Carter could never rise to the top of the British mafia, because, despite his ruthless charm, ultimately his worst enemy is himself. With a weakness for women, he repeatedly sabatoges himself (and his relationships with others), first by sleeping with his brother's wife and later his boss' girlfriend.

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A pal of mine asked me if there was more than one version of "Get Carter" (i.e. different edit). A version he recently watched on cable in the U.s. did not tally with his memory of the UK original. Anybody know ?
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A pal of mine asked me if there was more than one version of "Get Carter" (i.e. different edit). A version he recently watched on cable in the U.s. did not tally with his memory of the UK original. Anybody know ?
Well there was the 2000 remake. But we don't talk about that

The IMDb records a few variations in the 1971 original

# Due to deep accents of some characters, the film was partially dubbed for the US release to allow Americans to understand what the characters on screen were saying.

# The UK cinema release was cut to get an "X" rating by the BBFC with the stabbing of Albert edited to remove some shots of the knife. Director Mike Hodges later admitted that "The less you see of the knife, the more effective the scene is". The cuts were waived in 1993.

# According to director Mike Hodges on the R2 commentary, when ITV first showed the film, the phone sex scene had been shortened.

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A pal of mine asked me if there was more than one version of "Get Carter" (i.e. different edit). A version he recently watched on cable in the U.s. did not tally with his memory of the UK original. Anybody know ?
when this film used to be shown in the 80s on bbc they edited any violence out of it ,made the film look stupid really the way it jumped from one scene to another . the version that turns up on tv thats different to the original is the one with the pre credit sequence dubbed to suit american tastes [ i think they got dick van dike to do his cockerney accent again ] . if you buy the dvd you can hear the right and wrong version on the audio options .
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