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07-12-2004, 12:14 PM

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I mean they are not likely to send somebody round to shoot or stab you. Are they?.

'They'?

How can you blame a whole people for the actions of individuals?

Not the sor t of comment for a movie forum I think.

Hardly a welcoming sight for Muslim readers or members. frown

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07-12-2004, 02:07 PM

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'They'?

How can you blame a whole people for the actions of individuals?

Not the sort of comment for a movie forum I think.

Hardly a welcoming sight for Muslim readers or members.

I can't see that there will be many Muslims being interested in the decadent west's films somehow; so if there are any Muslim members out there, can you speak up please and let us know your feelings?

Good morning boys.

07-12-2004, 04:10 PM

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"THE LIFE OF BRIAN" was a bit controversial.

All a bit tepid now, I think EMI dumped the Sex Pistols and Life of Brian in the same year - mostly due to the company's staid and conservative image.

If you watch the film Christ only makes one minor appearance. Many seemed to miss the point that the Three Wise Men go to the wrong tent in the opening scene.

07-12-2004, 04:41 PM

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deckard deckard has no status. Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cornwall Posts: 478 Country: iTrader: (0)	Well I think the Greeks should inherit the Earth! (just lightening the mood, don't y'know) "did he say Greeks?" wink regards, Decks. "and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock"

07-12-2004, 04:52 PM

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07-12-2004, 09:13 PM

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Three Wise Men go to the wrong tent in the opening scene.

"Not very wise if you ask me..walking around at this time of night...."

However.....in the Mother of Parliaments yesterday one of our best known comedians ( and others ) spoke about the right to make fun of religion....presumably anyones...

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The star of the BBC's Blackadder television series lined up with leading barristers, writers and politicians to oppose the proposed law.

'There should be no subject about which you cannot make jokes'
Ministers say the Bill will protect faith groups - particularly Muslims.

Under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Bill, which will have its second reading in the Commons today, anyone judged to have stirred up religious hatred through threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour, would be liable to a maximum of seven years in prison.

But opponents of the measure say that while it is well intentioned, stopping the right to criticise other religions would end centuries of tolerance and could stoke tensions between religious groups rather than ease them.

Speaking at a press conference in the House of Commons, Atkinson said the proposals would destroy one of society's fundamental freedoms - the right to cause offence.

It would also threaten the livelihoods of all those whose job it is "to question, to analyse and to satirise". These included authors, academics, writers, actors, politicians and comedians.

There was a "fundamental difference" between cracking a joke about someone's religion and being offensive about their race which was, rightly, already an offence, he said.

"To criticise a person for their race is manifestly irrational and ridiculous but to criticise their religion - that is a right. That is a freedom," he said.

"The freedom to criticise ideas - any ideas even if they are sincerely held beliefs - is one of the fundamental freedoms of society.

"And the law which attempts to say you can criticise or ridicule ideas as long as they are not religious ideas is a very peculiar law indeed.

"It all points to the promotion of the idea that there should be a right not to be offended. But in my view the right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended.

"The right to ridicule is far more important to society than any right not to be ridiculed because one in my view represents openness - and the other represents oppression."

He was joined by the newspaper columnist Joan Smith, officials from Christian groups, the Barnabas Fund, the Lawyer's Christian Fellowship and politicians from the three main parties.

Paul Cook, the advocate manager of the Barnabas Fund, said: "There is a real danger that this law could be used by extremists to silence organisations like ourselves from highlighting the persecution of Christians and other human rights abuses which occur within some religious communities."

The law will be opposed by the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives. Several Labour MPs including Alice Mahon, the member for Halifax, are expected to vote against.

Dominic Grieve, the shadow attorney general and a Church of England church warden, said people in the United Kingdom had "thrived on" the ability to "ridicule and caricature other people's views".

The Liberal Democrat MP Dr Evan Harris, who chaired the meeting, said: "There is a great deal of concern about these proposals across political parties.

"There are already enough laws to deal with incitement to violence and to deal with disorderly behaviour based on religious grounds."

Mr Atkinson said comedians should be able to make jokes about whatever they wanted. If they went over the top, people would not find their jokes funny. "There should be no subject about which you cannot make jokes."

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08-12-2004, 12:20 AM

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David Brent David Brent has no status. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Queensland, Australia. Posts: 2,691 Country: iTrader: (4)	It's quite obvious that God has a sense of humour. I mean...take a look at our stupid old world. Everyone wonders did Judas have God on his side. It could be argued that LIFE OF BRIAN had God on it's side. God works in mysterious ways. The British have a great sense of humour that basically laughs at ourselves. It is also common knowledge that God is an Englishman. Dave.

08-12-2004, 12:03 PM

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'They'?

How can you blame a whole people for the actions of individuals?
Did I say whole people?. Thought I was talking about a Religion.
Not the sort of comment for a movie forum I think.
What a director murdered over the content of his film not a welcome thread on a movie forum?.
Hardly a welcoming sight for Muslim readers or members.

Tolerant and forgiving of criticism and lampooning?. That's a no then.

08-12-2004, 01:30 PM

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Tolerant and forgiving of criticism and lampooning?. That's a no then.

Blanketing as 'they' and implying 'they' are extremists is not lampooning, it's bigoted nonsense.

Like Christianity there ar e different strands of the Muslim faith, with their own interpretations, lifestyles and levels of tolerance etc.

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08-12-2004, 03:46 PM

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Hackett Hackett has no status. Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: England Posts: 773 Country: iTrader: (0)	You read one word THEY and deduce BIGOTED?. I didn't know you could get curly toe slippers for web feet.

09-12-2004, 09:44 AM

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Depresssing news on a similar subject:

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</div><div class='quotemain'> God cut from Dark Materials film

The director and screenwriter of the film adaptation of Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials is to remove references to God and the church in the movie.

The books tell of a battle against the church and a fight to overthrow God.

"They have expressed worry about the possibility of perceived anti-religiosity," Weitz told a His Dark Materials fans' website.

Pullman's trilogy has been attacked by some Christian teachers and by the Catholic press as blasphemy.

Weitz, who admitted he would not be many people's first choice to direct the films, said he regarded the film adaptation as "the most important work of my life".

"In part because it is one of the few books to have changed my life," he told bridgetothestars.net.

The award-winning trilogy - Northern Lights, The Subtle Knife and The Amber Spyglass - tell the story of Oxford girl Lyra Belacqua.

She is drawn into an epic struggle against the Church, which has been carrying out experiments on children in an attempt to remove original sin.

As the books progress the struggle turns into a battle to overthrow the Authority, a figure who is God-like in the books.

Weitz, who directed American Pie and About A Boy, said New Line feared that any anti-religiosity in the film would make the project "unviable financially".

He said: "All my best efforts will be directed towards keeping the film as liberating and iconoclastic an experience as I can.

"But there may be some modification of terms."

Weitz said he had visited Pullman, who had told him that the Authority could "represent any arbitrary establishment that curtails the freedom of the individual, whether it be religious, political, totalitarian, fundamentalist, communist, what have you".

He added: "I have no desire to change the nature or intentions of the villains of the piece, but they may appear in more subtle guises."

There are a number of Christian websites which attack the trilogy for their depiction of the church and of God, but Pullman has denied his books are anti-religious.

His agent told the Times newspaper that Pullman was happy with the adaptation so far.

"Of course New Line want to make money, but Mr Weitz is a wonderful director and Philip is very supportive.

"You have to recognise that it is a challenge in the climate of Bush's America," [/b]

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09-12-2004, 11:14 AM

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Oh dear! Where is it all going?. I like to think that people can believe in what they want as long as it doesn't harm or hurt anybody, but these days(or any days!) that seems a trifle Utopian. I can't quite understand why there is so much reaction to the odd film that depicts a certain view, terms like anti-religious or blasphemous are bandied about publicly and all this seems to do is drawn attention to the subject matter and make it almost infamous! or, is it that the various religious authorities are lacking in confidence that their particlar belief will be undermined by any one single production? All sounds a bit paranoid to me....mmm... perhaps that's where the problem lies..........

Regards, Decks.

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09-12-2004, 11:49 AM

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Why is it that the film would be "unviable financially" yet the book was recently in the top 5 of the BBC's Big Read ahead of other adapted books like Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Harry Potter and even Dickens.

There's clearly a big market already in place for the film and I suspect the reason is not commercial viability but the backers being American rather than European. I'm somewhat surprised the author agreed as most are very hands-on with the treatment of their work.

09-12-2004, 12:18 PM

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09-12-2004, 01:56 PM

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We live We DIE! thats it!in my opinion, there is No god,it's only mans arrogance that like's to think there is something else as we are obviously [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
above all other forms of life,anybody who thinks differently,must need some kind of "blanky" to get them through life's problems,tragedy's and inevitable demise,I'm really glad i am able to say that now because a couple of century's ago i'd have been burnt at the stake IF i'd had the balls to say it(i would'nt have ,i would have lied

),shall we go back to that then? :mad:

"britain has allway's been Known for it's sense of humour,and part of that, is taking the piss,if you can't take the piss what's the point?"

"These view's are in no way, the views of the brit movie forum" [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]

cheers Ollie.

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