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  • Hilary Clinton helped George Bush attack Iraq and here is Obama attacking her on that blunder as he states.
    Obama may have been brave, bit also lucky - he wasn't in the Senate at the time, so didn't have the same pressure as those Democrats that had to vote. And no, Hillary Clinton no more helped Bush 'attack Iraq' than anyone else did.

    I consider Clinton and Trump to be equally bad and this quote from the Socialist Worker newspaper
    I would regard Socialist Worker to be not exactly a neutral source, and I say this as a Guardian reading, Mother Jones subscribing liberal, whose read The Nation, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, The Progressive, The Earth First Journal and In These Times!

    Its typical for them to regard both as equally bad - a view which is simply ludicrous if you think about it for just a second. Your equating a decent hard working person whose sits perfectly within the liberal mainstream with a multiple cheating, multiple bankrupt lying bigot. And taking a Clinton quote from twenty years ago about a possible problem (the 'super predator' theory was popular at the time) and comparing it with Trump's speech from less than two years ago which accused the bulk of Mexican immigrants of being rapists, drug dealers and generally criminal is bizarre, unless your in left wing tinfoil hat territory.

    Actually, the second SW article showed their skewed/laughable worldview, which I'm familiar with from 99percentcaucus and the more extreme elements on Dkos, Democratic Underground, etc.

    The vote for US president next Tuesday will pitch two of the most unpopular and reactionary candidates ever against each other.
    How would most people regard Hillary Clinton as reactionary? And the 'most reactionary candidate' for the White House? Even Trump can't quite claim that dubious honour. The left tend to do hyperbole a lot better than history.

    Dozens of retired military leaders have come out for Clinton. They see her as a reliable defender of US imperialism whereas they regard Trump as erratic and an unknown quantity.

    Clinton spent the whole campaign against Sanders saying that free college tuition in public colleges was impossible, and how anything along the lines of the British NHS was impossible.

    Clinton will be the puppet of Wall Street and big oil if she is president.


    There is immense pressure on the US left to vote for Hillary Clinton. She may be awful, the argument goes, but Donald Trump is such a threat and so dangerously right wing that we must get behind Clinton who is the “lesser evil”.
    The military leaders came out for her because she was sane and had an idea that there were other countries. Trump, on the other hand, had a dangerous fascination with, yet profound ignorance of conflict, nuclear weapons and international relations. Put it this way, do you feel safer now that Trump is in charge of the US nuclear arsenal?

    Actually, Clinton said she would do her best to reduce the costs of college, and ultimately took on board aspect of Bernie's plan, certainly with regard to public colleges. But Bernie has a track-record of promising stuff, without having a clue how to do it or how to pay for it, and no, Free College wasn't going to happen. And considering the resistance to ACA, Bernie's call to completely change the US healthcare system was pretty much vapourware. The excellent Charles Gaba ( Brainwrap as he's known on Daily Kos) looked at the 'policy', and found it wanting. And got attacked for questioning Bernie's healthcare policies generally, as did Paul Krugman. An American NHS isn't going to happen any time soon, and its worth noting that an attempt to even move towards that model in Vermont collapsed very quickly.

    Clinton will be the puppet of Wall Street and big oil if she is president.
    Trump's Cabinet is now collectively the richest in US history, many of which have worked at Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street companies, with a fair number of billionaries, Rather than draining the swamp, he seems to simply have dumped them in his cabinet and administration. And the Sect. of State is the just retired CEO of Exxon, which is pretty much the biggest of big oil.

    And Stein is widely seen on the American left as someone who gives Greens a bad name, whose attendance at a dinner for RT where she sat at the same table as Michael Flynn (that Michael Flynn) and Putin himself pretty much confirmed her as a 'useful idiot'. A useful idiot who dragged away enough votes from Clinton in key states to ultimately swing the election for Trump. Putin had other ways to do this, but she allowed other idiots to be useful to him as well.

    Trump is a canker on the face of humanity. And he's not going to get any better. The revolution isn't coming any time soon, but a truely awful 'tax bill' is (so bad, that even the Wall Street Post hates it), which will ruin a lot of people's lives, while making very rich people richer. No, Clinton and Trump were never 'the same'.


    I think that I have slipped into the Star Trek 'Mirror Mirror' universe, and Doorman is the sort of 'anti- Mark O'. They are sort of similar, but from opposite ends. I wonder that if they meet, then the reaction will a bit like matter meeting anti-matter...







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    • Originally posted by wadsy View Post

      Maybe he already has?
      Haha. I agree. Maybe he truly has!

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      • The wheels are coming off the Trump Express. He tweets he fired Flynn because he lied to the FBI. That would have made him admitting to obstruction of justice. Then his lawyer says he wrote the tweet. It is hard to believe that sloppy tweet was written by a lawyer. But why would he put his practice in danger by fessing up to what appears to be s lie,?

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        • Originally posted by Mark O

          Yes, I've recovered from my 'wire-hanger' style tantrum (just about !),I would like to come back more fully, but I would appreciate a Moderator deleting the posts 148, 154, and 158, from this particular thread, as they contradict the forum policy, which is post 36 on the 'On the Buses thread', (link below), and we'll say no more about it.

          Thank you.

          https://www.britmovie.co.uk/forum/li...8626#post38626
          You can't delete other people's poats (or request that they be deleted). How would you like it if they did it to you?
          You can always PM them and ask if they'll be willing to delete the posts (or request that they be deleted). But I doubt if anyone will

          You should always be prepared to stand by what you've written - or you shouldn't write it

          Steve

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          • Originally posted by Steve Crook View Post

            You can't delete other people's poats (or request that they be deleted). How would you like it if they did it to you?
            You can always PM them and ask if they'll be willing to delete the posts (or request that they be deleted). But I doubt if anyone will

            You should always be prepared to stand by what you've written - or you shouldn't write it

            Steve
            The link Mark supplied says it is against forum rules to insult another member. In the posts he wants deleted, he has been called a ''bigot''. Irrespective of what he said to bring that on, is that not an insult?
            Just wondering, because I might want to say it to someone myself some time.
            (That's hypothetical - no-one in particular in mind.)

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            • Originally posted by Shirley Brahms View Post
              The link Mark supplied says it is against forum rules to insult another member. In the posts he wants deleted, he has been called a ''bigot''. Irrespective of what he said to bring that on, is that not an insult?
              Just wondering, because I might want to say it to someone myself some time.
              (That's hypothetical - no-one in particular in mind.)
              Definition of bigot is someone who is intolerant of the opinions of others.

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              • Originally posted by Mark O

                I do, but I'm asking for the offensive name calling directed at me to be deleted (I do not wish to ask the forum member responsible).
                I don't see any name calling or insults in those posts


                As mentioned, it goes against the grain of the rules.
                So now you make the rules do you?

                After all, you were quick enough to delete my picture of Donald Trump, and the post about the feminist who said horrible things about men, it's only fair, isn't it ?..
                Which picture of Donald Trump did I delete? I can't remember. Maybe you shouldn't have posted so many.

                Then as usual you digress into something entirely unrelated

                Steve

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                • Originally posted by Mark O

                  Forget it...
                  I already had

                  Steve

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