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The British film industry and American hysteria

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  • The British film industry and American hysteria

    We hear so often of the great contribution to the industry by those cast out by the McCarthy witch-hunts—

    Joseph Losey, Alexander Knox, Carl Foreman, Sam Wanamaker, George Coulouris, Lionel Stander

    I wonder if Britain could gain by providing shelter to those banished by the current American hysteria?

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    What, you want people like Harvey Weinstein to come and work here?

    Steve

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jamal.nazreddin View Post
      We hear so often of the great contribution to the industry by those cast out by the McCarthy witch-hunts—

      Joseph Losey, Alexander Knox, Carl Foreman, Sam Wanamaker, George Coulouris, Lionel Stander

      I wonder if Britain could gain by providing shelter to those banished by the current American hysteria?
      You are equating political ideology, and in some cases it's no more than left wing sympathies, with physical and mental abuse of women?

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      • #4
        Frankly, I’m puzzled.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Steve Crook View Post
          What, you want people like Harvey Weinstein to come and work here?...
          I doubt Weinstein would want to molest me. But I've met two ex-prisoners who wear digital ankle-bracelets who swear they're very effective.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jamal.nazreddin View Post

            I doubt Weinstein would want to molest me.
            Oh, well that's all right then.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by narabdela View Post
              Frankly, I’m puzzled.
              So am I.
              As Paxton Milk says .... equating political ideology with physical and mental abuse of women.
              It's nonsensical.

              However, I'm wondering if Jamal is just being mischievous, but omitted to add a wink smiley to his question.
              I often think that about his posts.

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              • #8
                Obviously Hollywood is the bigger industry and art has no boundaries so artists from all around the world come and go to work to other industries, in the end the main thing is to entertain audience.

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                • #9
                  It's easy for us to discuss all this with the luxury of hindsight.

                  We can describe it as "hysteria" and "left wing sympathies". But Joseph Losey, Alexander Knox, Carl Foreman, Sam Wanamaker, George Coulouris and the others were exiled for confessing their belief in the dogma of Communism.

                  And, as you know, their fellow believers in the dogma of Communism blockaded Berlin, developed an atomic bomb, killed millions in Russia and engaged the US in expensive, fruitless wars in Korea and Vietnam.

                  I don't think any of the people named ever returned to the USA —Charles Chaplin didn't— and they DID contribute in various ways to Britain's film industry.





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                  Last edited by jamal.nazreddin; 17th June 2018, 02:03 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jamal.nazreddin View Post
                    It's easy for us to discuss all this with the luxury of hindsight.

                    We can describe it as "hysteria" and "left wing sympathies". But Joseph Losey, Alexander Knox, Carl Foreman, Sam Wanamaker, George Coulouris and the others were exiled for confessing their belief in the dogma of Communism.

                    And, as you know, their fellow believers in the dogma of Communism blockaded Berlin, developed an atomic bomb, killed millions in Russia and engaged the US in expensive, fruitless wars in Korea and Vietnam.

                    I don't think any of the people named ever returned to the USA —Charles Chaplin didn't— and they DID contribute in various ways to Britain's film industry
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                    George Coulouris wasn't a 'confessed communist'. I used to know his son, also called George, who once told me his father was a socialist at best, old school Labour Party supporter. The blockade of Berlin was part of a larger conflict, but I infer from your post that it was a bad thing which might put you in a monority. It's difficult to challenge the Comunist countries for developing atomic bombs when the West were doing the same. Surely, neither side can claim the moral high ground there. The Korean War was a civil war that the US chose to expand, it was their political dogma that dragged them into it. Vietnam was a colonial war with the US, again for political reasons, chosing to prop up a corrupt and widely unpopular regime.

                    Really cant see where you are going with these 'facts' of yours. There is no correlation I can see between political beliefs in the 1950s and the abuse of woman (and in the case of Spacey, men). Are you really contending that welcoming rapists (alleged and otherwise) and abusers to the UK would be a good thing for the British film industry? Would you argue that having Jonathan King and Rolf Harris back can only be good for television?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Paxton Milk View Post

                      George Coulouris wasn't a 'confessed communist'. I used to know his son, also called George, who once told me his father was a socialist at best, old school Labour Party supporter.
                      I'm afraid that a rabid right-wing viewpoint would equate that with 'communist'

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by narabdela View Post

                        I'm afraid that a rabid right-wing viewpoint would equate that with 'communist'
                        Oh, no question, Narabdela. My point was that Coulouris wasn't driven out of the US by any anti-Communist crusade, he wasn't a member of any political party nor, as far as I am aware, did he ever make public statements supporting a political standpoint. He simply felt uncomfortable in an environment where anything left of centre wasn't tolerated. Throwing comments about the 'exiled because of the dogma of communism', is just as nonsensical as the rest of that post.

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                        • #13
                          I'm studying a couple of very left-leaning Americans - both would have been blacklisted if they had stayed in the US - thankfully both found successful employment outside the US in Europe - one working for the US State Department in Berlin and the other for the US Army!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Anthony McKay View Post
                            I'm studying a couple of very left-leaning Americans - both would have been blacklisted if they had stayed in the US - thankfully both found successful employment outside the US in Europe - one working for the US State Department in Berlin and the other for the US Army!
                            Which is great, Anthony, and I am sure there are lots of examples of the same but going back to the point of the thread, how would you feel if one or both had been rapists? Would their subsequent success outside of the US have been just as admirable, or as welcome as Jamal.nazreddin suggests in his post?

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                            • #15
                              Re #10

                              You could start up a thread here about your friendship with George Coulouris Junior.

                              A second-hand account is preferable than all our third-hand musings.

                              (But, be that as it may, I would imagine that he would tailor his story of exile to please his audience)

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