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    The wall separating United States from México. Donald Trump said México would pay for it. Mexico said, no way. Now Trump needs 5 billion dollars and is having trouble getting that amount. Now he has partially closed down government. Now many government employees are expected to work without pay. How do these people expect to live, pay bills, food for their families,etc with no pay check’s? I wonder. Many of these government employees are being force to work without pay. Their seems to be nowhere in sight as to when this will end. What a mess Trump has created.
    Last edited by Derick Angerman; 10th January 2019, 03:02 PM. Reason: Spelling

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    Shutdowns are nothing new in the US, it's happened many times before, it's almost an occupational hazard of the public sector.

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    • #3
      In Derick’s response about federal employees in the U.S. being ordered to work and not get paid, knowing the attitude of Donald Trump, nothing surprises me. Here in Toronto it is advised that travelers flying out of Toronto to the U.S. arrive 3 hours before departure. U.S. customs personal process you before boarding your flight to the U.S., here in Toronto. I think U.S. customs have personal at Shannon airport in Ireland, doing the same procedure, concerning passengers traveling to U.S. destinations.
      Last edited by Eric7885; 10th January 2019, 07:16 PM. Reason: Spelling

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      • #4
        Give them food stamps, until things improve

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        • #5
          A quick search online will reveal some of the things that Trump said in the past about Government Shutdowns. I hope he can remember them too.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by StoneAgeMan View Post
            A quick search online will reveal some of the things that Trump said in the past about Government Shutdowns. I hope he can remember them too.
            He chooses not to remember or to subsequently deny most things he says.
            Such as getting Mexico to pay for the wall.

            Extracts from Washington Post, Jan.10
            by David Nakamura

            It was a foundational promise of Donald Trump’s historic presidential campaign: Mexico would pay for his 2,000-mile border wall. But as he desperately fights for $5.7 billion in taxpayer money for the project, Trump now claims he never said Mexico would directly foot the bill.

            “Obviously, I never said this, and I never meant they’re going to write out a check,” the president told reporters Thursday at the White House.

            He did say it — at least 212 times during his campaign and dozens more since he took office. And he put it in writing — in a March 2016 memo to news outlets that was then posted on his campaign website.

            Trump has been promising that Mexico would pay for a wall since before he was a candidate for the White House, and the vow figured prominently in his June 16, 2015, campaign announcement.

            “I will build a great, great wall on our southern border,” he declared that day at Trump Tower in New York. “And I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words.”











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            • #7
              Shirley was right. Several times he said that Mexico would have to pay for this wall. Trump may be the president of the United States, but, dictating his policies in another country, I don’t think so. Mexico has a elected president who has said on numerous occasions that Mexico will not foot the bill for this fence.

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              • #8
                Mexico has a elected president who has said on numerous occasions that Mexico will not foot the bill for this fence.
                The Mexican President told him personally before the election that Mexico wasnt going to pay for any wall.

                But then again, the idea of the wall didnt come from Trump at all, originally, Apparently, Trump wanted to whip up his supporters by talking about immigration and border security, but could not remember his lines. So seemingly one of his advisors suggested he just talk about a 'wall'. Even Trump could remember that, and then it became a thing, to the point that of course Trump convinced himself that it had been his own idea all along. Trump also thinks he invented the phrase 'priming the pump', so he has history at this sort of self delusion. And he lies about everything, as do apparently his children, as we are seemingly going to find out.

                And now he is obsessed with it. Hence the shutdown.

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                • #9
                  You can't help feeling sorry for the American people of either political persuasion. The politics in the USA just seem to be have gone to the dogs over the years. It's not politics anymore, it's big business dictating the direction of the country. And with a man called Trump in charge(?) the lies and double-dealing will only get worse, he feeds the American people what he and his cronies want the American people to know. The Mexican wall shows just how obsessed Trump is with getting his way, what's more important dealing with North Korea and it's leader, who's leader Trump 'fell in love with', or building a wall?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bonekicker View Post

                    The Mexican President told him personally before the election that Mexico wasnt going to pay for any wall.

                    But then again, the idea of the wall didnt come from Trump at all, originally, Apparently, Trump wanted to whip up his supporters by talking about immigration and border security, but could not remember his lines. So seemingly one of his advisors suggested he just talk about a 'wall'. Even Trump could remember that, and then it became a thing, to the point that of course Trump convinced himself that it had been his own idea all along. Trump also thinks he invented the phrase 'priming the pump', so he has history at this sort of self delusion. And he lies about everything, as do apparently his children, as we are seemingly going to find out.

                    And now he is obsessed with it. Hence the shutdown.
                    Trump seems to have lifted all his ideas about the wall, and about immigration and Mexicans for that matter, from Machete (2010) and Machete Kills (2013) two movies that are supposed to take a satirical stance on the subjects. The first features a rabid right wing politician, played, ironically, by Robert De Niro, who campaigns on a pledge of building the wall, and spews forth all sorts of unsubstantiated, racist bile on Mexicans; the second has the wall in place and features a Bonds-style supervillian.

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                    • #11
                      The idea that Trumps musings about the wall, Mexico and immigration stem in oart from films makes perfect sense. He also apparently started going on about women being tied up, etc. Turns out its from a film. Why should we be surprised - thats what Reagan often did. And apparently the goahead for inhanced interrogation, etc was coloured in part by the Tv show 24 making toture look normal and effective.

                      Someone has done a study of Trumps tweets and announcements, and there is a direct corolation between items on Fox News, especially Fox and Friends, and the subjects he tweets on. Thats terrifying - you can manipulate the President of the United States in real time. And God knows what other stuff is in his head from watching some random film.

                      Perhaps thye will just put Disney films on loop, like bambi. It might have an effect.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bonekicker View Post
                        Perhaps thye will just put Disney films on loop, like bambi. It might have an effect.
                        No, Bambi is a horror film disguised as a nature story. Bambi's mother gets brutally slaughtered. You don't want to be giving Mr Trumpeter ideas

                        Steve

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                        • #13
                          "Pinocchio" comes to mind

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CliveT View Post
                            "Pinocchio" comes to mind
                            Do you think that he would start worrying about his nose?

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                            • #15
                              Not his nose, but 'the little rocket man' who seems to be pulling the strings, perhaps Trump can "Wish Upon A Star"?

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