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    I am going to look at all Norman's films from Date witha Dream (1948) to Expresso (2007).
    I am focussing on the cast list, i will try and make them as complete as possible without the constraints of IMDb's 'no credit, no listing' rule.


    Date with a Dream (1948)

    Terry Thomas -
    Terry [Thomas]
    Jean Carson - Jean
    Len Lowe - Len
    Bill Lowe - Bill
    Vic Lewis and his Orchestra - [Themselves]
    Wally Patch - Uncle
    Alfie Dean - Joe
    Ida Patlansky - Bedelia [The Landlady]
    Julie Lang - Madam Docherty
    Norman Wisdom - [Variety Act]
    Elton Hayes - [Singer]
    Harry Green - Syd Marlish
    Pat Rose - [Max's Secretary]
    Cox Brothers - [Variety Act]
    Eddie Leroy - [Variery Act]
    Pat Doherty - [ENSA member]
    Thelma Tuson - [Rehearsing Soprano]
    Sydney Bromley - [Stranger in Max's Office]
    Vic Lewis - Vic

    Personnel in the credited acts

    Cox Brothers

    Frank Cox
    Fred Cox

    Vic Lewis and his Orchestra

    Johnny Shakespeare - Trumpet
    Bunny Layzell - Trumpet
    Vernon Thompson - Trumpet
    Billy Riddick - Trumpet
    Bill Sharp - Trombone
    Roy Bassett - Trombone
    Jimmy Wilson - Trombone
    Ronnie Chamberlain - Alto Sax
    Peter Howe - Alto Sax/Clarinet
    Jimmy Walker - Tenor Sax
    Ken Bassett - Tenor Sax
    Bill Collins - Baritone Sax
    Frank Horrox - Piano
    Al Ferdman - Guitar
    John Quest - String Bass
    Peter Coleman - Drums

    Uncredited

    Pat Hagan - Military Policeman/Policeman
    Vic Hagan - Theatrical Agent
    Len Llewellyn - Recording Engineer
    Kathy Stobart - Herself


    Notes
    Terry-Thomas is credited without the hyphen.
    Jean Carson moved to America and reverted to her actual name Jeannie Carson so as not to be confused with the American actress.
    Ida Patlansky is credited in other films as Ida Patlanski, i am not certain if this was deliberate or an error by the film companies.
    Eddie Leroy is not the American comedian Eddie LeRoy as IMDb seem to think, he appears to be a juggler, he appeared on Variety bills in the 1940's.
    Kathy Stobart (1924- 2014) the famous jazz sax player and vocalist was a regular member of the Vic Lewis Orchestra at the time, i presume the casting department did not want her as a performer as the band were meant to be demobbed ENSA performers, she can be seen observing the band backing Jean Carson singing the caribbean style song 'Unlucky'.
    Vic Lewis was credited with his orchestra in the opening credits then on his own with attribution in the end credits.
    Movie Dude's Unknown Male 132 appeared as a Theatrical Agent, we know from the Dacre list for Norman's later film 'Just my Luck' that he is called either Bob Feeney or A. Graham.
    Last edited by philly; 30th September 2019, 10:28 PM.

  • #2
    Good luck with going through the Norman Wisdom back catalogue Philly.
    It's a soul destroying task. that has defeated many a good reviewer.
    Gerald was lucky to escape with his sanity...

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    • #3
      I feel a relapse coming on . . .

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      • #4
        Don't worry Gerald, we won't make you watch anymore of the nasty man's films...

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        • #5
          Meet Mr. Lucifer (1953)

          Stanley Holloway -
          Mr Sam Hollingsworth/Mr Lucifer/[Policeman]
          Peggy Cummins - Kitty [Norton]
          Jack Watling - Jim (Norton)
          Barbara Murray - Patricia [Pedelty]
          Joseph Tomelty - Mr Pedelty
          Kay Kendall - Lonely Hearts Singer
          Gordon Jackson - Hector [McPhee]
          Charles Victor - Mr Elder
          Humphrey Lestocq - Arthur [Simmons]
          Jean Cadell - Mrs MacDonald
          Raymond Huntley - Patterson
          Ernest Thesiger - Mr [Euan R.] MacDonald
          Frank Pettingell - Mr Roberts
          Olive Sloane - Mrs Stannard
          Gilbert Harding - Himself, Panelist on What's My Line
          Philip Harben - Himself on Television
          McDonald Hobley - Himself on Television
          David Miller - Himself on Television
          Olga Gwynne - Principal Boy
          Joan Sims - Fairy Queen
          Ian Carmichael - Man Friday
          Irene Handl - Lady witha Dog
          Gladys Henson - Lady in the Bus
          Roddy Hughes - Billings
          Eliot Makeham - Edwards
          Bill Fraser - Band Leader
          Dandy Nichols - Mrs Clarke
          Molly Hamley-Clifford - Mrs Ensor
          Toke Townley - Trumpet Player
          Fred Griffiths - Removal Men
          Herbert C Walton - Cockney Customer in Pub

          Uncredited Cast

          George Curtis - Drummer in Orchestra Pit
          Frank Williams - Bored Panto Audience Member
          Sheila Aza - Panto Audience Member Knitting
          Paddy Brannigan - Pub Patron/2nd Removal Man
          Nan Kearns - Pub Patron
          Jimmy Charters - Pub Patron
          Bill Raymond - Pub Patron
          Johnnie Schofield - Trap Door Stage Hand
          Charles Lamb - 2nd Trap Door Stage Hand
          Geoffrey Keen - Mr Lucifer (Voice)
          Angela Kay - Accountant
          Robert Vossler - Accountant
          Eddie Sutch - Office Boy
          John Boxer - Accountant
          Donald McCollum - Accountant
          Kathleen Grace - Office Worker at Retirement Award
          Lesley Dudley - Little Girl at Bus Stop
          Jack Carter - Passer-By at Bus Stop
          Richard Molinas - Onion Vendor
          Steve Donahue - Suspicious Pub Patron
          Diane Cilento - Lady in Street
          Fanny Carby - Lady in Street
          Lee Patterson - American Sailor
          Arthur Howell - Passer-By at Bus Stop
          Joyce Everson - Passer-By at Bus Stop
          Wilfrid Caithness - TV Weather Presenter
          Tony Benson - Pub Patron
          Jan Miller - BBC Secretary
          John Warren - Man with a Hammer
          Edie Martin - Deaf Lady
          Harry van Engel - Audience Member
          Janice Field, Janet Lee, Judy Raymond, Carol Spragg, Anthony John, Carol Raye, Anthony Raymond, Roy Marchant - Urchins
          Roy Marchant, A.E. Matthews, Donald Pleshette

          Deleted Scenes Cast

          Eddie Leslie - Himself on Television
          Norman Wisdom - Himself on Television


          Thanks to Dave Wright for some of these identifications

          MacDonald Hobley's name is spelt wrong in the credits.
          Norman Wisdom filmed a scene with Eddie Leslie as his straight man, it was to be shown on the television in the film.
          A.E Matthews is a historic credit so could also be a deleted scene.
          Tony Benson is more usually known as Tony Mendleson, Benson was his FAA name so i have adopted it for his film roles.
          The Urchins are probably the six children dancing and the little boy with the spinning top.
          The big guy who leaves the sparse Panto Audience to 'Go to Bed' could be Arthur Mullard, his image is too small to be certain, his voice certainly sounds like Arthur though.
          The What's My Line panel is shown on TV, i don't know if the other three with Gilbert Harding are actual panellists or supporting artistes, the image is to small to tell, if they are the panellists then one of them will almost certainly be Isobel Barnett.
          Not sure who Donald Pleshette is and they're aren't many walk-ons unnacounted for, one could be Jim Norton's boss in the store, who has lines, he is also one of Movie Dude's Unknown Males, No 275.
          Last edited by philly; 2nd October 2019, 08:22 PM.

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          • #6
            Oddly enough, I was just watching Double X: The Name of the Game (1992) on TPTV this afternoon.
            An interesting film (starring Norman without any falling over or any reference to Mr Grimsdale) and a comedy villain act from Bernard Hill. Simon Ward supplied the real villain and Gemma Craven & Chloe Annett were the glamour.

            Steve

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            • #7
              Originally posted by philly View Post
              [B]
              The What's My Line panel is shown on TV, i don't know if the other three with Gilbert Harding are actual panellists or supporting artistes, the image is to small to tell, if they are the panellists then one of them will almost certainly be Isobel Barnett.
              . . . unless she was out shopping at the time . . .

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Steve Crook View Post
                Oddly enough, I was just watching Double X: The Name of the Game (1992) on TPTV this afternoon.
                An interesting film
                An awful film though!! Not one that Norman would be proud of that is for sure.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Metro1962 View Post

                  An awful film though!! Not one that Norman would be proud of that is for sure.
                  Oh, I don’t know. He was trying to get away from his “Gump” comedy character and did various “straight” roles like that on film & TV.

                  They all helped to pay the bills

                  Steve

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gerald Lovell View Post

                    . . . unless she was out shopping at the time . . .
                    Now, Gerald, don't be cruel!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by philly View Post
                      I am going to look at all Norman's films from Date witha Dream (1948) to Expresso (2007).
                      I am focussing on the cast list, i will try and make them as complete as possible without the constraints of IMDb's 'no credit, no listing' rule.


                      Date with a Dream (1948)

                      Terry Thomas -
                      Terry [Thomas]
                      Jean Carson - Jean
                      Len Lowe - Len
                      Bill Lowe - Bill
                      Vic Lewis and his Orchestra - [Themselves]
                      Wally Patch - Uncle
                      Alfie Dean - Joe
                      Ida Patlansky - Bedelia [The Landlady]
                      Julie Lang - Madam Docherty
                      Norman Wisdom - [Variety Act]
                      Elton Hayes - [Singer]
                      Harry Green - Syd Marlish
                      Pat Rose - [Max's Secretary]
                      Cox Brothers - [Variety Act]
                      Eddie Leroy - [Variery Act]
                      Pat Doherty - [ENSA member]
                      Thelma Tuson - [Rehearsing Soprano]
                      Sydney Bromley - [Stranger in Max's Office]
                      Vic Lewis - Vic

                      Personnel in the credited acts

                      Cox Brothers

                      Frank Cox
                      Fred Cox

                      Vic Lewis and his Orchestra

                      Johnny Shakespeare - Trumpet
                      Bunny Layzell - Trumpet
                      Vernon Thompson - Trumpet
                      Billy Riddick - Trumpet
                      Bill Sharp - Trombone
                      Roy Bassett - Trombone
                      Jimmy Wilson - Trombone
                      Ronnie Chamberlain - Alto Sax
                      Peter Howe - Alto Sax/Clarinet
                      Jimmy Walker - Tenor Sax
                      Ken Bassett - Tenor Sax
                      Bill Collins - Baritone Sax
                      Frank Horrox - Piano
                      Al Ferdman - Guitar
                      John Quest - String Bass
                      Peter Coleman - Drums

                      Uncredited

                      Pat Hagan - Military Policeman/Policeman
                      Vic Hagan - Theatrical Agent
                      Len Llewellyn - Recording Engineer
                      Kathy Stobart - Herself


                      Notes
                      Terry-Thomas is credited without the hyphen.
                      Jean Carson moved to America and reverted to her actual name Jeannie Carson so as not to be confused with the American actress.
                      Ida Patlansky is credited in other films as Ida Patlanski, i am not certain if this was deliberate or an error by the film companies.
                      Eddie Leroy is not the American comedian Eddie LeRoy as IMDb seem to think, he appears to be a juggler, he appeared on Variety bills in the 1940's.
                      Kathy Stobart (1924- 2014) the famous jazz sax player and vocalist was a regular member of the Vic Lewis Orchestra at the time, i presume the casting department did not want her as a performer as the band were meant to be demobbed ENSA performers, she can be seen observing the band backing Jean Carson singing the caribbean style song 'Unlucky'.
                      Vic Lewis was credited with his orchestra in the opening credits then on his own with attribution in the end credits.
                      Movie Dude's Unknown Male 132 appeared as a Theatrical Agent, we know from the Dacre list for Norman's later film 'Just my Luck' that he is called either Bob Feeney or A. Graham.
                      is that wise?

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                      • #12
                        Trouble in Store (1953)

                        Norman's first film in the 'Gump' series.
                        I have listed the credited cast first then the 'Dacre' list, which is an extended cast list originally published by Norman's biographer Richard Dacre, i have spotted most of these. Marianne Stone, Hilda Barry, Grace Denbeigh Russell, Lucy Griffiths and Kenneth Kove i didn't see, i suspect their scenes were deleted, Molly Maureen, Ann Heffernan and Margot Lister are in blink and miss shots so probably had main scenes deleted as well.

                        Norman Wisdom - Norman
                        Margaret Rutherford - Miss Bacon
                        Moira Lister - Peggy Drew
                        Derek Bond - Gerald
                        Lana Morris - Sally Wilson
                        Jerry Desmonde - Augustus A Freeman
                        Megs Jenkins - Miss Gibson
                        Joan Sims - Edna
                        Eddie Leslie - Bill
                        Michael Brennan - Willy Dawson - Store Detective
                        Joan Ingram - Miss Denby
                        Michael Ward - Wilbur
                        Cyril Chamberlain - Alf
                        Ronan O'Casey - Eddie

                        The Dacre List

                        Roddy Hughes - Taffy, A Doorman
                        Perlita Neilson - Mabel
                        Nella Occleppo - Miss Smith
                        David Paltenghi - Attendant, Leather Goods Department
                        Roland Curram - American Sailor
                        Violet Gould - Woman who has her Hat Taken
                        Clare Austin - Millinary Assistant
                        Sally Ann Wilson - Millinary Assistant
                        John Warwick - Robson
                        Ian Wilson - Short Man in Window Dressing Audience
                        Howard Connell - Paterson
                        Joe Stern - Bus Conductor/ [Bus Driver]
                        Jacques Cey - Frenchman in Bus Queue
                        Douglas Muir - City Gent Hailing Taxi
                        Esma Cannon - Woman with too Much Sugar in the Park
                        Trevor Hill - Boy Lover in Park
                        Vivien Pickles - Girl Lover in Park
                        Pauline Winter - Miss Higgins, Secretary
                        John Warren - MC at Burridge's Dance
                        Helga Rowe - Tall Woman at Dance
                        Bobbie Medlock - Jitterbugger
                        Anne Ridler - Girl in Hostel Bedroom
                        Alan Rolfe - Commissionaire
                        Hamlyn Benson - Mark
                        Richard Coke - Wilton
                        Helen Harvey - Shopper at Sales
                        Peggy Ann Clifford - Shopper at Sales
                        Rose Howlett - Shopper at Sales
                        Marianne Stone - Shopper at Sales
                        Stringer Davis - Department Head
                        The McCarton Brothers - Cowboy Act
                        John Lynn - Bald Headed Crook
                        John Lorrell - Crook
                        John Kelly - Policeman
                        Tom Gill - Bicycle Assistant
                        Doreen Morton - Woamn Customer
                        Jack Newmark - Whispering Man
                        Molly Maureen - Cashier
                        Olive Kirby - Waitress
                        Ann Heffernan - Woman
                        Nan Kearns - Woman
                        Hilda Barry - Woman
                        Grace Denbeigh-Russell - Woman
                        Margot Lister - Woman
                        Yolande Turnbull - Mannequin
                        Allegre Nicholle - Mannequin
                        Rosaline Haddon - Miss Palmer, Lingerie
                        Lucy Griffiths - Woman in Park
                        Kenneth Kove - Man in Park
                        Terence Mitchell - Teenage Boy
                        Suzanne Wilde - Waitress
                        Oscar Nation - Shopper
                        Ross Goodall - Child
                        David Higson - Child
                        Sheila Martin - Child
                        Joe Cornish - Norman, Roller Skating Double

                        Uncredited Cast List

                        Dan Cressy - Policeman
                        Jack May - Bus Passenger
                        Eddie Eddon - Shop Worker
                        Graham Tonbridge - Mr Graham, Department Head
                        Lesley Dudley - Child
                        Sheila Aza - Shop Assistant
                        Frederick Kelsey - Shop Assistant
                        June West - Shop Assistant
                        Jane Comfort - Shopper
                        Ned Lynch - Shopper/Crook
                        Bess Rogers - Personal Assistant
                        Constance Anderson - Millinary Assistant
                        Esme Smythe - Shopper
                        Muriel Greenslade - Shopper
                        Pat Symons - Passerby
                        Gertrude Kaye - Window Shopper/Shopper
                        Ursula Granville - Window Shopper
                        Aidan Harrington - Window Shopper/Shopper
                        Pearl Walters - Window Shopper
                        Donald McCollum - Window Shopper
                        Molly Lumley - Lady in Bus Queue
                        Terry Sartain - Man in Bus Queue/Shop Worker
                        Arthur Hall - Man in Bus Queue/Shopper
                        Richard Duke - Man in Bus Queue
                        Robin Burns - Man in Bus Queue
                        Renee Heimer - Bus Conductor
                        Angela Kay - Lady in Bus Queue/Shop Worker
                        Peter Munt - Mounted Policeman
                        Paddy Ryan - Man in Fight
                        Jimmy Lodge - Man in Fight
                        Kit Terrington - Boy with Harmonica
                        George Curtis - Drummer
                        Pat Ryan - Shop Worker
                        Roy Seeley - Shop Worker
                        Fred Machon - Shop Worker
                        Charlie Bird - Doorman
                        Pat Hagan - Shop Worker
                        Jimmy Scott - Shop Worker/Shopper
                        Martin Voss - Shop Worker
                        Richard Gregory - Shop Worker
                        Tony Castleton - Shop Worker
                        Edwin Fowles - Shop Worker
                        Bill Baskiville - Shop Worker
                        Fred Nicholas - Shop Worker/Shopper
                        Anne Padwick - Shop Worker
                        Fred Real - Shop Worker/Shopper
                        Martin Lyder - Shop Worker
                        Fred Davis - Shop Worker
                        James Ure - Shop Worker
                        Tony Spear - Crook
                        John Wilder - Crook
                        Lola Morice - Shop Worker
                        Redmond Bailey - Shop Worker
                        Ernest Blythe - Department Head
                        Jack Dearlove - Department Head
                        Leslie Davenport - St. John's Ambulance Man/Shopper
                        Aza Caralova - Shopper
                        Aileen Lewis - Shopper
                        Jim Brady - Crook
                        Audrey Sykes - Shopper
                        Paul Beradi - Shopper
                        George Holdcroft - Shopper
                        Anthony Lang - Shopper
                        George Crawford - Crook
                        Arthur Howell - Shopper
                        Frank Howard - Crook
                        Barry Johns - Shopper
                        Billy Wilmot - Shopper
                        Robert Gregory - Shopper
                        Ernie Rice - Crook
                        Jim Morris - Shopper
                        Jack Silk - Policeman
                        Michael Gulbenkian, David Higson, Barry Knight, John Pike - Children
                        Peter Diamond, Frank Maher, Terence Maidment

                        Thanks to Movie Dude for many of the above
                        Very Special Thanks to Gerald Lovell who painfully endured watching these films many years ago and was the first to identify many unknowns, hope i haven't caused a lapse!






                        Last edited by philly; 21st November 2019, 04:57 PM.

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