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  • #31
    Originally posted by Tonch View Post
    Just one problem: several less wires behind my TV now, but no scart plug on the back of the Sky Q box, so no means of recording things off my Sky planner onto my VCR. Yes, I still have and regularly use one of those. I used to have a DVD player which could record my video tapes onto disc, but unlike my far more used VCR, it conked out (I replaced it with a Blu Ray player). I might invest in a DVD machine that records, providing it will "digitise" all my old cherished VHS tapes onto discs AND successfully record from my Sky planner (the Q box appears to have a couple of those HDMI slots in the back - presumably these could connect into the back of such a DVD recorder? they certainly don't have a corresponding port in the back of the old VCR!)
    I had exactly the same problem as yourself. My Sony DVD recorder with built-in hard drive was no longer able to burn onto discs, although I can still record onto the hard drive and view it (for the time being). I was looking at the PANASONIC DMR-BWT850EB Smart 4k Ultra HD 3D Blu-ray & DVD Recorder as a possible replacement, however these do not accept scart leads and use HDMI connections instead. My old Sky box has no HDMI sockets on it, so I'd have to buy a Scart/HDMI converter for it. In the end, I decided not to bother.

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    • #32
      I had exactly the same problem as yourself. My Sony DVD recorder with built-in hard drive was no longer able to burn onto discs, although I can still record onto the hard drive and view it (for the time being). I was looking at the PANASONIC DMR-BWT850EB Smart 4k Ultra HD 3D Blu-ray & DVD Recorder as a possible replacement, however these do not accept scart leads and use HDMI connections instead. My old Sky box has no HDMI sockets on it, so I'd have to buy a Scart/HDMI converter for it. In the end, I decided not to bother.
      PVR's tend not to have scarts any more, if they have any analogue connections at all (the new Humaxs have RCA's), and they wont be able to transfer stuff anyway - PVR's are closed boxes.

      Personally, I'd give up on scarts, they simply are obsolescent, and any attempt to buy equipment to use them will just result in spending lots of cash on very old tech which wont mesh with your new tech anyway. The Panasonic is pricey, but will do the job (that job is a bit niche, and the price), but your TV can do an OK job of recording stuff as well.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Bonekicker View Post

        Personally, I'd give up on scarts, they simply are obsolescent
        You're right, they are. I found that out when I bought a Blu-ray player fairly recently and had to buy an HDMI lead to go with it. I also had to buy a new TV several months ago when my good old CRT set finally called it quits. The new TV has several HDMI sockets and the Blu-ray I have connected to it is fantastic, I have to say. Even the DVD's look better than they did on the old set.....unless it's just my eyesight playing tricks.

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        • #34
          DVD/BR these days, no tapes. When I get a disk I rip it to the home network and put the disk in a cupboard.

          When my daughter moved in with her then future husband they found they had over 700 duplicate DVD's between them...they did well at a boot sale

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          • #35
            You're right, they are. I found that out when I bought a Blu-ray player fairly recently and had to buy an HDMI lead to go with it. I also had to buy a new TV several months ago when my good old CRT set finally called it quits. The new TV has several HDMI sockets and the Blu-ray I have connected to it is fantastic, I have to say. Even the DVD's look better than they did on the old set.....unless it's just my eyesight playing tricks.
            Its not you imagination - TV's obviously upscale anyway whenever possible, but a blu ray player does it at source as well, so those DVD's do look a bit better anyway., or certainly better than watching them on a flat screen without any upscaling.

            And yes, TV's are all HDMI equiped, and have been for about a decade - and since we have pretty much the highest penetration of flat screens in Europe, people who make Blu Rays, PVR's etc are hardly likely to include analogue connections on their equipment when they dont have to.

            For a lot of people, even buying a disk seems a bit old hat. Buying a film that you might watch once seems illogical when you can just stream it via Amazon, Netflix, etc. Thats a conversation I'm having with customers over 4K blu ray players - do they buy the machine and then the disks, or do they buy one that upscales to 4K (about half the price or less), so they can use their existing collection, and then stream new stuff? If Star Wars comes out on a 4K disc, then we will sell a lot of players, but if its the usual Hollywood fodder and Smurfs 2, then probably not.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Bonekicker View Post
              For a lot of people, even buying a disk seems a bit old hat. Buying a film that you might watch once seems illogical when you can just stream it via Amazon, Netflix, etc.
              I must confess, I do like to own something that I can hold in my hand, whether it be a music CD or a DVD/Blu-ray rather than downloading. However, I am now much more choosy as to what I buy and will only purchase something that I have either already seen and enjoyed, or a film that I get a good feeling I'm going to enjoy (if it's a decent price). You're right though, there are numerous films I could mention that I liked the first time, but have no real desire to watch again.

              Having only fairly recently changed over to Blu-ray, I've tended to avoid duplicating what I already own on DVD......with one exception - the Alien set. They are my favourite of the modern sci-fi/horror films and at the same time wanted to see how they compared in quality to my original DVD's. They look really great, plus I got the set of four films at a good price. But this was a one-off.

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              • #37
                I must confess, I do like to own something that I can hold in my hand, whether it be a music CD or a DVD/Blu-ray rather than downloading
                Agree, but my wife has pointed out the number of boxes of CD's (which are now all ripped to a phone) DVD's Blu Rays and books that I have, highlighted by a recent house move. There is a lot of media in boxes in my garage! I've now got blu rays which either plug gaps or are my favourite films in a better format, and I really cant be bothered to buy DVD's any more, although the occasional bargain emerges - I got the full box set of Randall and Hopkirk a little while ago from a charity shop for a song. Temptation for blu rays does come from seeing excellent versions being shown on BBC2 in their late night film slots - LA Confidential looked so good that I had to upgrade from the DVD.

                Frankly, I can't keep up with all the stuff thats being shown each week on TV, and boxsets dont help (we are about to introduce Buffy to my daughter, who'd better like it or else!), but looking how much we've spent on Amazon shipping the last couple of months, Prime starts to look like not a bad idea.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Bonekicker View Post
                  ...but looking how much we've spent on Amazon shipping the last couple of months, Prime starts to look like not a bad idea.
                  Actually, I'm glad you mentioned LA Confidential. I saw this on Sky many years back and thoroughly enjoyed it, but have never even owned it on DVD. Strange - it seems to be one of those films I just forgot about. Looks like another visit to Amazon for a Blu-ray copy. The same goes for me in that Amazon have been responsible for emptying my wallet over the years.....it has to stop.

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                  • #39
                    One thing I was wondering about Blu-ray discs, do they have single-layer and dual-layer versions just as DVD's do? I've never noticed any layer change when watching a Blu-ray (that's the momentary pause in the film during layer transitions which occur on DVD's), but did notice on some titles that the writing on the label side shows through on the playing surface - almost as if it was transparent. I'm assuming that'll be a single-layer disc, but this is something I have never noticed with DVD's. Of course, it could just be that the discs themselves are thinner than DVD's.

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                    • #40
                      One thing I was wondering about Blu-ray discs, do they have single-layer and dual-layer versions just as DVD's do? I've never noticed any layer change when watching a Blu-ray (that's the momentary pause in the film during layer transitions which occur on DVD's), but did notice on some titles that the writing on the label side shows through on the playing surface - almost as if it was transparent. I'm assuming that'll be a single-layer disc, but this is something I have never noticed with DVD's. Of course, it could just be that the discs themselves are thinner than DVD's.
                      I have no idea, and I have to admit never noticing it, even when watching DVD's.

                      Amazon obviously is an easy place to pick up discs (new and used is very useful), but there are some search sites http://www.find-dvd.co.uk/search.asp...a+confidentialwhich can sometimes bring up cheaper prices, and HMV, for instance, will have exclusive Blu rays not available on Amazon, for instance, they have exclusively All the Presidents Men on Blu-ray http://store.hmv.com/film-tv/blu-ray...hmv-exclusive)

                      My local branch of CEX https://uk.webuy.com/ is very useful - its basically exchange and mart for games, DVD's, etc. Its actually very interesting from the point of view of pure economics - the price for buying and selling are very clear! I pop in every so often to see whats in, and you can buy online as well. For instance, the three blu ray pack of Daniel Craig's 007 films (Casino, Quantum and Skyfall) can be had for a fiver, which is excellent value. Since that same pack is £6 used on Amazon, and you have to pay for postage, its a good alternative.

                      LA Confidential is simply one of the great films of the nineties, was a superb adaption of a very difficult book, and should have won the Oscar that year. The version the BBC showed looked lovely, and much better than my DVD version. There is a new version out in October, so might be worth waiting. I'm still after the original poster, but my wife thinks I already have too many!

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                      • #41
                        I have one of the last Panasonic S-VHS machines connected to my HDD/BD recorder for when family or friends say they've found an old VHS they want to see again.

                        As for old VHS tapes, try old people's homes as they tend to find residents can remember how to use them (especially those in early stages of dementia).

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Bonekicker View Post
                          I have no idea, and I have to admit never noticing it, even when watching DVD's.
                          It depends really at what point in the film the layer change takes place, which I assume is down to whoever is responsible for transferring the film onto the DVD. If the transition takes place at a moment in the film where there is no action or movement in the picture, then that change will usually go unnoticed. However, I do have one or two examples where they've decided to put the layer change at a moment where the camera was panning and with sound in the background, resulting in a much more noticeable pause.

                          I have been told that about 2 hours can fit onto a single layer DVD, so in theory any film which lasts less than that shouldn't really need to be spread over two layers, although perhaps if that film includes audio commentaries and other languages, then that'll take up more space anyway.

                          Thanks for letting me know about the new release of LA Confidential. I'll probably hang on for that, unless Amazon end up selling the current version at a knock-down price to get rid of the old stock.

                          Don't let your wife deter you from your poster collection - every man is entitled to his hobby. A girl I used to go out with many years ago had this thing about ornamental teapots.....honestly, her house was full of them. However on the plus side, had we got married, at least I wouldn't have to feel guilty about my film collection.


                          By the way, thanks also for the HMV link. I noticed they have The Time Machine (1960) at £14.99 which includes I think a DVD as well as Blu-ray, while Amazon sell the same thing for £20, or a used one for £15. The version I have is, if I'm not mistaken, a US release - although it is region-free. This is one of my favourite sci-fi films.
                          Last edited by Carl V; 22nd July 2017, 08:46 AM. Reason: Additional paragraph

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Carl V View Post

                            I must confess, I do like to own something that I can hold in my hand, whether it be a music CD or a DVD/Blu-ray rather than downloading.
                            Like Bonekicker, I too agree with this.

                            I take it further by having a (doomed, sadly) love of videotape; unlike the intangible "magic" of downloads (all a complete mystery to me, like those computer "memory stick" things or the terrifyingly unfathomable "portable hard drive") indeed, even unlike physical discs, you can simply look at a tape and see what room is left on it, whether it's been re-wound etc. Even on a disc this is "invisible".

                            It just feels to me as though, in moving forwards, we've sort of gone backwards....when I wanted to record a specific snippet off the news, which will never be released commercially, nor repeated, I used to be able to do this at the flick of a couple of switches. Now it seems in the scartless paradise of crystal clear high-definition cutting edge advanced technology, I can no longer do this. I thought the whole point of technological advancement was to make everything easier. Maybe there is some way of doing this using my computer? Gawd knows...have asked my tech-savvy brother in law to look into it for me. He loves this sort of stuff - and that's the key here; I think you have to be interested in how it all works to properly grasp it, yet I find all instruction manuals a cure for insomnia.

                            Against my better judgement I parted with my old CD collection on my son's advice when he got me an ipod. Put all of my preferred CD music onto itunes and synchronised it to the device. Even made some album cover artwork and got that on there. Blimey I thought, this is the space-saving way forward if an old Luddite like me can do it. Then came the day when my computer crashed and the hard drive wiped completely. Fortunately my son had previously bought me a standalone charger for the ipod so I no longer needed to synchronise it to itunes whenever it needed re-charging. Although he had saved some of my early itunes onto a portable hard drive (when I had only just started building up my intangible collection) this had been comprehensively superseded by what was eventually on my ipod. Of course I cannot now synchronise my ipod ever again; the full collection with unique artwork would be wiped and replaced by what's now on my itunes on my desktop. I thought everything was preserved somewhere in "the cloud" but evidently not. It means I can never add anything further or new to my ipod, alas. No one seems to know how or even if I can transfer my music FROM my ipod onto a hard drive and make THAT my itunes library, then continue adding to it. No such problem when I simply had everything on physical CDs. Sort of regret the push for uncluttered, empty shelf space now - and I blame my son, who ironically has started collecting vinyl; talk about taking the p*ss/rubbing salt in the wounds!!

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                            • #44
                              Tonch, I wish I could help you with your ipod issues, but sadly I'm not very computer savvy myself. I do have an MP3 player and what I did was to rip my favourite CD's into the computer and then just transfer them back onto the MP3. The CD's still get played on the hi-fi, and as you pointed out, if anything happens to your ipod or computer, at least you have your discs to fall back on.

                              I'm amazed at technology, but somehow can't bring myself to trust it to the point where I'd throw anything away. Take photography.....I'm probably one of the few people left in the world who still uses film (black & white). I like the idea of having a negative in my hands to work with rather than a digital image which could be lost if something goes wrong.

                              It's quite funny really how vinyl is becoming more popular over recent years. It's arguably the most durable format in terms of shelf-life. Even CD's can deteriorate over time if there was a problem during the manufacturing process, but I still have vinyl from the 70s, and they still sound as good as I can remember.....apart from the odd pop and crackle due to dust.
                              Last edited by Carl V; 26th July 2017, 10:23 PM.

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                              • #45
                                It just feels to me as though, in moving forwards, we've sort of gone backwards....when I wanted to record a specific snippet off the news, which will never be released commercially, nor repeated, I used to be able to do this at the flick of a couple of switches
                                But put a usb stick into the back of your TV and there is an excellent chance you can. Just look at the manual. Or ask your brother in law (Or maybe not!).

                                Your Ipod stuff is still on your Ipod - just reload Itunes and copy the data across carefully https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3991 (see section 3), but yes, I have a backup as well on another external drive - fact is I havn't put stuff on the new PC yet, because my wife and daughters Itunes account are already on it . And of course you can keep your old CD's (I did), but they do take up a fair amount of space.

                                I did have an older couple come into work last weekend and ask for a CD player. Although I'm not audio, I could help, and showed them what we have, which are CD/MP3/DAB systems, which is more than they wanted. I explained that with the move to digital music, stand alone CD players are becoming more difficult to find. I then asked them if they'd thought about digital music, and they admitted they'd been thinking about it, and after talking to me and asking questions, it had probably given them the nudge to finally do it. They already had all the equipment - they just needed to spend the time doing it. And once done (and backed up!), thats it. If they want to buy more CD's, they can, and there is no reason they can't play it on a CD system. But if they want to just rip the CD's or simply buy digital music, they can do that too, and they then have a huge range of speakers etc to chose from, and of course they can carry their music around with them if they want.

                                Its not for everyone, but there is no reason why you cant mix and match.


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